Well we now have our own private place to talk amoungst our selves and make local plans. Not necasaraly a full blown sufvival group, but a loose coalition of locals. Let me know what yall think. thanks
Dumpster diving for dumies
September 24, 2009 by ninefingers
http://www.squidoo.com/dumpster-diving-for-dummies A great tutorial and how to on the art of dumpster diving.
Community Announcement from ninefingers
March 14, 2009 by ninefingersHey every one. Well I have a offer to make. Due to my ever incressingly buisy scedule i don have the time for this site. Now I can take it down, or put one of you in charge as the new admin. If you think you can make his thing grow like it should it yours, just let me know
The Million Gun Owner March
February 3, 2009 by ninefingers
The Million Gun Owner March
Last week I received the below email from a lady in Belgium who had just read my book “RKBA: Defending the Right to Keep and Bear Arms”. She was distraught and discouraged because her beloved country was no longer what it used to be. Here are her words.
“Another nutcase criminal entered a baby/little kid’s daycare center… and he began to stab the kids with a knife! You know what the adults who are supposed to take care of the kids did? One was stabbed himself, but two others ran away. One hid behind a closed door and watched through the window while the kids got slaughtered and another one ran away and left the kids alone with the attacker! Two babies died, several kids badly wounded… The country is in shock, how is this possible? …No one said anything about the cowardly behavior of the two adults who ran away. They told it like it was a normal reaction, a normal thing to do…”
I can sense the outrage in her voice when I read her words. This woman, once a patriotic and proud citizen, was now a mere subject, and ashamed of what her country had become. Thanks to the miracle of gun control and pistol-free zones, two more babies are dead.
I did some research and learned that in June of 2006, reacting to a racially inspired shooting in Antwerp, a Draconian gun ban went into effect in the country of Belgium. Citizens were required to turn over their firearms to police, without compensation, or, in the case of antiques, were required to render them permanently inoperable.
In the words of my reader in Belgium “The country is in shock, how is this possible?” The answer is simple: cause and effect. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. In this pitiful case the man didn’t even have a gun. He was loaded down with knives; he was mentally ill, and he arrived at the crime scene on a bicycle, did his killing, and then rode away - on a bike. Folks this is sad and shameful. Six adults couldn’t stop one crazy man with a knife on a bike.
“One man with a gun can control 100 without one. … Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms.” ~ Vladimir Lenin ~
Apparently, one man with a knife can now control six people without. But then again, it’s easy for us Americans to sit back and make fun of Europe. After all, we are the land of the free, the home of the brave. Right? Well, not so fast. In many states in America, including my home state of Michigan, the outcome would have been the same as in Belgium, because daycare centers are one of the hallowed and sacred pistol-free zones. (Sacred and revered, but only to law-abiding citizens, because criminals pay them no heed.)
For two centuries, us damned Yankees have enfleshed the attitude of freedom and independence. But now, have we changed? Is Obama fiddling as Washington DC burns? In my opinion, America has lost much of its spunk, much of its spirit, and much of its grit. We have become less heroic and more sheeplike. We are no longer leaders, but followers. In light of the outcome of the last elections, have we become simply Euro-sheep? I am ashamed to admit that many of my fellow Americans have indeed succumbed to oppression and have lost their will to fight. They would rather have peace than freedom.
I received another email just yesterday. It was from a fellow patriot who said:
“I am a fellow gun owner and supporter of the second amendment. I have been chatting with a bunch of fellow gun lovers on the S&W forum about trying to get a million man march on Washington organized. Since I know very little about doing so, I thought I’d write you on behalf of all of us. We would like to get some help organizing such an event. We would like to be able to get the word out to as many gun owners as possible and encourage them to join us.”
That idea struck me as good, so I got involved. First, I emailed Ted Nugent and asked him to headline a “Million Gun Owner March” on Washington DC. Here is his response:
“It is time. IF coordinated with NRA, GOA, JFPOFO, MCRGO, SCI, NWTF, RMEF, DU, FNAWS, etc etc & all gunrights orgs, I would be proud to join/lead the fray!!!”
This is how it works folks. Every revolution throughout history has always started with a single person. One ordinary person wakes up, looks around and says “Hey! This isn’t right! Someone should do something!”
And that someone is you and I. We are one small part of the Million Gun Owner March. The next thing I did was email Chuck Perricone, Executive Director of Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners and asked if they’d like to be involved. His response was similar to Ted’s:
“The answer is, “YES”…and we’d like to handle the press/recruiting. We can knock this out of the park. FANTASTIC idea, Skip.”
Hmmm, I see some possibilities here. I see excitement. I see motivation. I see patriots with guns! I see a peaceful (but loud) march on Washington DC, on the Capitol steps, down Pennsylvania Avenue, with Ted Nugent singing his electrified version of the National Anthem as loud as he can. Maybe I can get Toby Keith too? And I like that song by LC Greenwood “God Bless the USA”. That one just brings chills to my tired, old, gun-totin’ body.
I’ll have to check into that. In the meantime, I logged on and bought the domain name http://www.milliongunownermarch.com/. It is my donation to the cause. Now, since I’m computer clumsy, we need someone to step forward and build the website. Any computer-savvy volunteers out there willing to build a website for us?
You know the frustrating part of a movement, is that too many people wait for someone else to step forward and do what needs doing. It’s known as the crowd mentality. People wait until it looks safe, then they step out and join. A few weeks ago I quoted Mark Twain, and it bears repeating.
“In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
Well, America, this is the beginning of a change and it is no time for the timid. This is the time for brave men and women to stand up and be counted. Because, I just have a feeling, that America’s time may be running out. I don’t want to live in a nation of Euro-sheep. I want my children to inherit the freedom our forefathers knew. But freedom has to be protected or it will fall. I suspect, my freedom-loving friends, that we are at a crossroads. Now, assuming we are smart enough to see it, and that we are brave enough to take the road less traveled, perhaps, America, just perhaps, there is still time to save our liberty. The time to act is now. We must march now, or forever hold our piece (rendered inoperable by the government).
Re: New Member
February 2, 2009 by ninefingers
Greetings, thanks for joinging up. it has been kinda slow around here, but we are looking forward to any thing you can add to the discussion
Thomas Jefferson
January 24, 2009 by ninefingers
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .
Thomas Jefferson
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
And finally, a Very Interesting Quote :
In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
words to remember
January 10, 2009 by ninefingers
In the Armed Forces EXCEPT the National Guard (Army or Air)
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Key Word CONSTITUTION!!!!
I have many feelings about our Government but these gents are better with words than I...
‘‘We, the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts — not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.’’
— Abraham Lincoln
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their 'constitutional' right of amending it or their 'revolutionary' right to dismember or overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln, First inaugural address, March 4, 1861. (sometimes incorrectly cited as an April 4th speech)
Thomas Jefferson:
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
"When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church — and there was nobody left to be concerned." - Pastor Martin Niemöller, Congressional Record, 14, October 1968, page 31636
Tenche Coxe:
"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
Samual Adams: "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." (Convention of the Commonwealth of Mass., 86-87, date still being sought)
Noah Webster: "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority...the Constitution was made to guard against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." (Source still being sought)
Thomas Jefferson: "On every occasion...[of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (June 12 1823, Letter to William Johnson)
Joseph Story: "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." (Story, Joseph. Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States. 3 vols. Boston, 1833.)
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BUT BE CAREFUL MY FRIENDS!!!....
‘‘You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.’’
— Charles A. Beard
Re: Basic info study course.
January 6, 2009 by ninefingers
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/55-65/ch5.htm
convoy operations. yes we need to know how to run a convoy
Re: OK lets get something started!!
January 6, 2009 by ninefingers
Hello i am about 100 miles from you all i know i canot hit you with 2 meters i plan to get an amp for ssb then it should not be a problum i allso run 6 & 10 meter i don,t know if that would work or not?-rick-77777
hmm well i am looking for a 10 meter monoband rig. hopefully soon. you think 10 meter could make it that far even with the band conditions the way they are?
Re: group info. LOOK AT ME AND RESPOND
January 6, 2009 by ninefingers
ok my email is joelchrisman@yahoo.com Alrighty our group officially consists of three people. I guess that is better than none
Basic info study course.
January 3, 2009 by ninefingers
basic combat and marksmen info every one should learn http://www.arkansasmilitia.com/tande.html
first aid http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/army/fm4_25x11.pdf
ham radio http://www.marktruett.com/files/2004techstudyguide.pdf
long term food storage http://standeyo.com/News_Files/menu.food.store.html
This is the proposed course of study. Basic skills we all need to know learn and make a part of us. take a look and let me know. I would like to compile them all into one file or handbook. bring the ideas
Re: good survival info for those just getting started.
January 3, 2009 by ninefingers
http://www.solargeneral.com/library/combat/website_urls_(08-04-07).pdf i am done for today
Re: good survival info for those just getting started.
January 3, 2009 by ninefingers
www.armystudyguide.com some good stuff here
Re: Marconi H4855 / PRC-343/IISR
January 3, 2009 by ninefingers
still for sale if you are interested in it.
Re: Survival group/club
January 3, 2009 by ninefingers
out standing. so their are a least 2 of us. well i am working on some details but it is in the works.
Re: bug out bag aka 72hr kit
January 3, 2009 by ninefingers
Some of the items in my BOB it has since changed ,but oh well. Also m first aid kit has goen larger if you can believe that,and yes those are IV bags.
Re: Mobile HF radio
January 3, 2009 by ninefingers
acually i am now looking for a yaesu ft-100 no longer in production bu it is suposed to be one of the best all mode mobile radios. better than the 1c-701
Re: scout rifles
January 3, 2009 by ninefingers
The Scout Rifle is a class of general-purpose rifles defined and promoted by Jeff Cooper in the early 1980s.
These bolt action carbines are typically .308 caliber (7.62mm), less than 1 meter in length, and less than 3 kilograms in weight, with iron and optical sights and fitted with practical slings (such as Ching Slings) for shooting and carrying, and capable of hitting man-sized targets out to 450 meters without scopes. Typically they employ forward-mounted low-power long eye relief scopes or sights to afford easy access to the top of the rifle action for rapid reloading. Steyr, Ruger, Savage, and several other gun makers now manufacture Scout rifles that roughly match Cooper's specifications, but most lack auxiliary iron sights.
A lifelong student of small arms, and recognized expert in the field, Cooper realized that rifles in the late 20th century differed little from those made one hundred years before, and that advances in metallurgy, optics and plastics could make the rifle a handy, light instrument "that will do a great many things equally well..."
"The general-purpose rifle will do equally well for all but specialized hunting, as well as for fighting; thus it must be powerful enough to kill any living target of reasonable size. If you insist upon a definition of "reasonable size," let us introduce an arbitrary mass figure of about 1,000 pounds (approximately 400 kilograms)."
Contents [hide]
1 Defining characteristics
2 Commercial Variants
3 Characteristics of the Scout Rifle
4 Market Acceptance
5 References
6 External links
[edit] Defining characteristics
Drawing inspiration from several sources, specifically the Austrian Mannlicher-Schönauer of 1903 and the Winchester Model 1894, Cooper defined several distinguishing characteristics of a scout rifle:
A maximum unloaded weight, with accessories, of 3.5 kilograms (≈7¾ lbs), 3 kg (≈6½ lbs) optimal.
An overall length of 1 meter (≈39 in.) or less.
A forward-mounted telescopic sight of low magnification, typically 2-3 diameters. This preserves the shooter's peripheral vision, keeps the ejection port open to allow the use of stripper clips to reload the rifle, and eliminates any chance of the scope striking one's brow during recoil. Cooper has stated that a telescopic sight is not mandatory.
Ghost ring auxiliary iron sights: a rear sight consisting of a receiver-mounted large-aperture thin ring, and typically a square post front sight.
A "Ching" or "CW" sling. Against common practice, Cooper advocated the use of a sling as a shooting aid. The Ching sling offers the convenience of a carrying strap and the steadiness of a target shooter's sling with the speed of a biathlete's sling. (The CW sling is a simpler version of a Ching sling, consisting of a single strap.)
A standard chambering of .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm NATO caliber; 7 mm-08 for locales that forbid civilian ownership of cartridges in chamberings adopted by military forces; and .243 Winchester for young or recoil-shy people. Cooper also commissioned "Lion Scout," chambered for the .350 Remington Magnum cartridge.
Accuracy: Should be capable of shooting into 2 minutes of angle or less (4") at 200 yards/meters (3 shot groups).
Other optional features included a retractable bipod, detachable magazines, a butt magazine, and an accessory rail for lights and other attachments. The addition of some of these features often render the rifle technically not a scout as originally defined, but this has come to be accepted by many as still conforming to the spirit if not the letter of the concept.
These features dictated short, thin barrels, synthetic stocks, and bolt actions. For many years scout rifles were only available from custom gunsmiths. However, in the late 1990s, Steyr-Mannlicher of Austria began series production of the Steyr Scout, which is also known as the Mannlicher Scout. Jeff Cooper spent many years of reflection and working with Steyr before they began production built to the specifications developed. A heavy-caliber version, the "Dragoon Scout," is chambered for the proprietary .376 Steyr cartridge, but exceeds (by approximately one inch) the overall length limit of the Scout Rifle specification. This version carries four rounds in the magazine, compared to five in the standard Steyr Scout. A version is also produced in the 5.56 mm .223 caliber used in various current military carbines. This is below the Scout Rifle caliber standard, so this version of the rifle has become known as the "Cub Scout."
[edit] Commercial Variants
There are several manufacturers warming to the Scout trend. The version considered by many to be the benchmark is the Steyr Scout at $2000USD+ c.2007. Savage Arms reinvented their Model 10FCM complete with the adjustable AccuTrigger in .308 only, at $646USD c.2008. Sturm, Ruger has several M77 Frontier rifles in various chamberings from varmint to heavy game with Ruger's known reliability and build quality $750USD+.
By mounting the long-eye-relief telescopic sight on the Winchester Model 94, a rifle with many of the desirable characteristics of the Scout Rifle is created. Colonel Cooper dubbed this the "Brooklyn Scout," in honor of the location where the combination was first developed.
[edit] Characteristics of the Scout Rifle
Originally an experiment, the Scout Rifle configuration has proven its value. Although it is unusual in appearance and design when compared to traditional rifles, the features which set the Scout Rifle apart were selected for utility rather than appearance. The scope sight is mounted on the barrel both for stability and to allow a faster acquisition of the sighting line when the rifle is brought to the shoulder. The length of the buttstock on the Steyr model is easily adjusted, through the use of detachable sections, though Cooper promotes the practice of removing all of the sections to allow bringing the rifle to the shoulder faster.
The Mannlicher Scout features an integral bipod, as well as storage for a spare, loaded magazine. The rifle is also designed to allow either single-shot, manually-loaded fire or normal magazine feeding. This is accomplished by simply including a second notch in the magazine catch, which permits the magazine to ride in the weapon slightly too low for the bolt to engage the top cartridge. The shooter may immediately switch to magazine feeding by driving the magazine all the way into the well. Single-round feeding is aided by the mounting position of the scope.
Being slightly shorter than most full-caliber rifles increases the muzzle blast from the Scout Rifle, and being lightweight increases the felt recoil (to a significant level in the Dragoon Scout).
Should the scope be damaged, it can be rapidly removed and the retractable ghost ring sight extended.
There are very few options and accessories for the Scout Rifle, because the necessary and desirable features are designed into the standard configuration. The primary choices are caliber, color of stock (grey or black), and type of bolt handle (flat or ball-end). Some owners opt for aftermarket or custom slings, which are easily removed and adjusted. Most owners will also purchase extra magazines and an ammunition holder which mounts to the stock.
group info. LOOK AT ME AND RESPOND
January 3, 2009 by ninefingers
area cb calling freq chnl#4
area gfrs calling freq chnl#4
2m end of the world simplex freq 146.52
name------------Joel
location--------Bluesprings Mo near 7 & 40 hwy
lat&long--------39.008963,-94.272652 (within a mile)
email-----------N/A
cell#----------(240) 427 7901
call sign------KD0FUB
favorite freq--147.015+ PL 151.4
radio handle---ninefingers
cb-------------yes
gfrs-----------yes
please return this eail with your info in that format. As soon as I get every thing compiled I will send copies to every one who sent me info. also as allways any input is apprecieated.
OK lets get something started!!
January 2, 2009 by ninefingers
So we are going to set up a locall comunications nework. what would be the best ways to go about doing this?? I am thinking 2m ham radio and a cellphone calling tree. The problem is getting imput from all of you. So if you read this please post your oppinions and lets start something. Yes it is small but it is a step.
download section
December 31, 2008 by ninefingers
hey guys dont forget to check out and contribute to our download section, we have some really good info in it.
been kinda buisy
December 31, 2008 by ninefingers
Sorry I havent posted much lately been very very buisy. so you guys are going to have to help keep the new posts coming. thanks
